Podcast 3 - Astrological Houses & Saturn through the Sibley Chart Houses
In this podcast, we discuss astrological houses and what they represent in a natal chart. We then look at the impact that Saturn has as it moves through the houses of the Sibley Chart (chart for the USA).
You can find the article that Donna wrote, and that inspired this podcast at – https://donnabastrology.com/saturn-through-the-houses-using-the-sibley-chart/
You can read more about the Sibley Chart at https://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/riddleusahoroscope.shtml
The Astrological Houses and their meanings
1st House – all about you, your appearance, your health, and vitality, how you appear to others, your personality
2nd House – your finances, your income, your resources, your possessions
3rd House – siblings, your local area or neighborhood, short distance travel, early learning
4th House – parents, heritage or ancestry, fatherland or motherland, living situation, home, real estate
5th House – children, creativity, hobbies, sport, recreation, sex, romance, socializing, gambling, fun things.
6th House – illness, employees, service to others, daily routines, pets.
7th House – close one-on-one relationships, open enemies, the other, marriage partner.
8th House – other people’s money, debts, taxes, loans, inheritance, shared finances, death.
9th House – long-distance travel, foreigners, religion, philosophy, other beliefs and cultures, the law, publishing.
10th House – career, public reputation, what we are known for, fame, infamy, honors, rewards.
11th House – groups, friends, organizations, networking, hopes, and dreams.
12th House – house of our undoing, escapism, retreat, solitude, places of confinement, secret and hidden matters.
Chapters/Timestamps for Podcast
0:00 – Intro
2:55 – 1st house
6:30 – 2nd house
7:13 – 3rd house
9:39 – 4th house
10:55 – 5th house
11:34 – 6th house
13:14 – 7th house
14:44 – 8th house
16:51 – 9th house
18:09 – 10th house
20:50 – 11th house
22:44 – 12th house
24:22 – The Sibley Chart
26:11 – Saturn in the 12th house of the Sibley Chart
29:36 – Saturn in the 1st house of the Sibley Chart
31:14 – Saturn in the 2nd house of the Sibley Chart
32:34 – Saturn in the 3rd house of the Sibley Chart
34:10 – Saturn in the 4th house of the Sibley Chart
35:13 – Saturn in the 5th house of the Sibley Chart
38:50 – Saturn in the 6th house of the Sibley Chart
40:46 – Saturn in the 7th house of the Sibley Chart
42:05 – Saturn in the 8th house of the Sibley Chart
43:42 – Saturn in the 9th house of the Sibley Chart
44:47 – Saturn in the 10th house of the Sibley Chart
46:17 – Saturn in the 11th house of the Sibley Chart
47:43 – Saturn in the 12th house of the Sibley Chart
52:04 – Donna’s contact information
52:32 – About Onyx stones
55:01 – Lynda’s contact information
55:20 – Outro
Transcript for Astrological Houses and Saturn through the Sibley Chart Houses Podcast Episode
– Hello I’m Lynda from Scullywag Astrology
– and I’m Donna from Donna B Astrology
– and this is
Astro Babble where we babble about astrology and today we’re talking about the astrological houses.
These are the houses that are the different areas of your life. We look at different
houses to tell what’s going on in different areas of your life and we’re also going to
go through the Sibley Chart which is the U.S. chart. It’s like a natal chart for the U.S.
and Donna has done an article about Saturn through the houses of the Sibley chart and
it was very interesting. So we’ve decided to put it on the podcast.
– Yes it was very interesting
it’s an easy way to learn. Our purpose as always is to get the astrology conversation
going more and if you guys know where the houses are and what they do and what they
represent and how they’ll show up in your life, it’s an easier way to learn your natal chart
and I’m going through what a lot of Americans know is their history
…helps everybody to be able to understand what the houses do and how they signify in a life
or the life of America. So it should be fun. It’s an interesting way to learn a little bit
of history and astrology. You’re pulling up the chart for right now so we can see where Pluto is
today as we’re recording. Pluto is going to be at the exact same spot as it was on the day we
signed the Declaration of Independence.Well, not us …
– So that must be…
– well Americans did
– Well, yeah, so it must be about 248 years then because Pluto takes about 248 / 250 years to
go all the way around a natal chart.
– Right. So we didn’t know Pluto was sitting there at 27 degrees
Capricorn when we signed the declaration but it did and it was there and that’s what kind
of inspired me to write that article because if we know how… that Saturn is all about structure
and foundation and if we knew how it was built then it’s easier to understand where the houses
are represented through the Sibley Chart.This is a Sibley … well we will be looking
at the Sibley Chart.
– Yeah, we’ll look at the Sibley Chart soon that will be
very interesting. For most people,well if you can see the screen
a horoscope or an astrology chart is split into 12 like slices and each house or each slice
is kind of looks after a different part of your life. So at the nine o’clock position, we have the
first house and when we (flubbed word)…. start again….. when people talk about the ascendant or your
rising sign it’s usually the start of the first house. Or if you’re like Donna and me and you use
Whole Sign Houses it will be floating inside the first house.
– And the first house
is “how we dawn on others” as Steven Forrest says…he’s a very famous astrologer. I always liked that…
“how we dawn on others”. How we… others see us because the ascendant is determined by
the sign and degree coming up over the horizon at the time, date and place of your birth
and it can also refer to your vitality, your appearance and yeah
your kind of personality. Some people call it a mask that you put on in front of others
– and if you’re somebody that has a very different ascendant to your sun sign or your
moon sign sometimes it can be you can seem like a different person to different people.
– And it…
the first house starts right there at the nine o’clock position. I like Bernadette Brady
and she says at that moment is when life meets matter. That’s where you take your first breath
in a natal chart or exactly when a a city gets started, right at that ascendant.
– Yeah yeah some
cities we’re very lucky to know… I think Baghdad’s one… I think they actually erected a chart for
when they would actually .. (flubbed words)….. I can’t even say it…. proclaim Baghdad so
it’s pretty interesting.
– Yeah, it was I think Masha Allah did… I think he elected that
when the city was going to be started.
– I believe so yes.
– And you based that on strength and
the benefic planets and that kind of thing.
– Yeah, Donna knows all about electional astrology
and sometime in the future we’ll do a podcast about that. Like how, you know, if you’ve got
an important event coming up – say a wedding or you know, a meeting and you want it to go well…
you can elect it to have the best possible outcome.
– Or launching a website or a business
– Or maybe even, you know, if you have some choice in…
if you know that you’re having a caesarean… if you have some choice in time or date
I’m sure it’s done. Actually I believe there was Princess Eugenie or Beatrice…
she was born on like the 8th or the 8th, 88 or something and I believe there was some
talk that yeah…. that was possibly…. she was induced to be born on such an auspicious date.
– Yeah, it’s called the Lions Gate 88. It’s called the Lion gate it’s uh supposed to be fierce
So yeah, so that’s the first house. The second house has everything to do with
your money, what it takes to survive. So your assets would be shown in using the second house
– And your income, your possessions, and your resources which can also be not just finances and
possessions but things that are useful. I’ve heard people say that even assistants then…
and I’ve heard people talk about food because, you know, we actually need food, otherwise, we die. So
you know, it’s what nurtures yeah what nourishes us I suppose. And then we have the
third house. This is the house of siblings and it’s also our local area, local neighborhood. It’s
sometimes family, like cousins and that… it’s you know, close to the fourth house, which is home.
Short distance travel and just communications you know. If you’ve got something
going on in your third house you might be doing a lot of running around. Like if you’ve got
Mars in your third house… the tempo of your day-to-day life might pick up quite dramatically
or you know, you might be getting into arguments with siblings or your neighbors.
– Yeah, it has, yeah, it has to do with anything that’s… if you can easily go there for the
afternoon and run an errand that’s where the third house type of stuff is. It’s like
the short communicate or yeah short communication, short trips… so it’s you know like the grocery
store, the banks, the places in your community that you are very familiar with.
It wouldn’t… we’re not talking about anything where you have to, you know, pack a lunch and
find overnight… staying somewhere else… we’re talking about the city that you are in, that you
live in and where you do your errands. So that’s all represented in the third house and
– And if you were somebody who, like, travels across country but you’re doing it several times a week
that wouldn’t necessarily be long-distance. For some people if they do that once every couple
of years that would be long distance but it’s that…that happening often, that this is your general
kind of routine… then that for somebody like that… that would be kind of a third house thing.
– Right, it’s what you’re familiar with. Yeah.
– I travel from one side of the state to the
other all the time in the warmer weather and yeah it’s … I would consider over here
where my home is just as familiar as, you know, on the other side where, you know, the beach is at. Yeah.
So I would, I would find those both very familiar because I’m in both spots
– 50% of the time.
– Often. Yeah
– So the fourth house is where your lineage comes from. I’ve done some
stonework with lineage but beyond that, we’re talking astrology. It’s where the father
comes from or the fatherland or your ancestors. If you’re talking about your grandmother’s
whatever it might be in the fourth house. The things that you… where you come from
is as well the fourth house. It is also if you’re talking about
you know things that might happen to your house. If Venus is in your house you might be getting
your house painted at that time, you know. If you…when you go to look at stuff from when you’ve
done improvement projects, you’ll see that Venus very well might be aspecting that fourth house.
– Oh exactly, exactly and yeah our home, our living situation, and real estate matters. So
there’s that whole home and on a deeper level family, parents and homeland as you were saying.
Then we’ve got the fun house, the fifth house. This is children, creativity,
fun activities, hobbies, sport, recreation, gambling, romance, sex – all the good stuff.
– Yeah, the things that we do for pleasure are in there, as well as arts. The arts are in there.
– Yes, yes it’s the…. Venus is in her joy in this house and actually while I think of it
we’ll go back very briefly…. Mercury is in its joy in the first house…
and then we’ve got a not so fun house, the sixth.
– After the fun, sometimes if you haven’t
been paying attention, the sixth house will come in and climb up
on you after you’ve been having too much fun. The sixth house has everything to do with illness
or your pets. So if you weren’t taking care of your pets they might have made your house a mess.
Yeah the sixth house has, it has a lot to do with illness. It also has a lot to do
with people that you are in charge of.
– Yeah. So that could be employees, traditionally it was the
house of slaves but today it would be employees. Some people also see it as a house of service. So
if you were being of service to somebody or, you know, if you’re in a job where you feel like you’re
very hardly done by and that… you know, your boss is a real taskmaster and this is really….
10th house is our jobs but sometimes if you’re feeling really overwhelmed and over worked
sometimes the sixth can be appropriate for that. Daily routines as well. This is the joy of Mars.
Mars is one of the malefics. It likes to cause a bit of trouble, so it’s not surprising it’s in…
finds its joy in the sixth house.
– And then under the seventh house that is the house of the
other. The house of the one-on-one relationships or if you have like a group of people and a group
of another people like a school team, like a basketball team, if you have… if the school team
is on the house represented in house one; the players on the other team would be represented
by the house in the seventh house. Those are open enemies. Those are people that you know, that you’re
opposing, that you have to get along with or you should get along with. You need to
get along with… that would be your husband…your spouse is also represented in that house
somebody you should be getting along with but that you are, you have a relationship that is
a one-on-one relationship that’s where the seventh house comes in.
– Yeah, a lot of people look at it as the house of marriage and that the sign on the descendant
can be indicative of a marriage partner but it’s also, you know, business partners and it’s also very
good friends. We have friends in the 11th house but really good close… those close one-on-one
relationships are seventh house.
– Right. Your doctor would be represented in the seventh house.
– Because it’s that one-on-one relationship.
– Right. And then the eighth house is
is all about other people’s money, wills, trusts. How I look at it – if you were to look at the bottom
half of that… of this circle and the first house is the other person… go to… the first house is you
the seventh house is the other person. So if the second house is your finances the
the eighth house would be the other person’s finances. It goes on and it goes, it’s like the
one step up from what we went through the first time. Now we’re including the other people on the
top half of the chart. So in the eighth house is other people’s money. It would be trusts, it
would be your wills. It’s also known as the house of transformation. It has to do with
other yeah, other people’s money. Their trusts, transformations
but as well… I want to say the eighth house has
yeah I’m drawing a blank at what I want to say.
– Yeah it’s other people’s money which can
include things like taxation and insurances and loans and debts. It can be, you know, as this
seventh house is the relationship the eighth house is the second from the seventh
so it’s the finances and resources of the relationship. Inheritances because this
is also a house that’s associated with death.
– And then the ninth house….
– it’s one of the more feared houses….
– It is a feared house. It’s a feared house but you almost need to go through that in order to get
that transformation that’s needed. I don’t think a lot of people really get that you can’t grow
if you’re not changing and transforming is changing. So it’s all part of growth.
The ninth house has got to do with higher education. The third
house is for early learning; the ninth house is for the higher education.
It has to do with philosophy. It has to do with higher education. It has to do with astrology.
You’ll get your clerical people who have… if you have Saturn in there
I would suspect a lot of people have… are in…are working very closely with the church
or higher education and that type of thing.
– Yeah, yeah. It’s other cultures, beliefs, religion.
– Yeah and it’s also the far away.
long-distance travel. Foreigners and yeah, things like astrology, tarot, your esoteric subjects so…
and the Sun is actually in its joy there.
– And then we have the tenth house which is all about what’s visible. It’s what you’re
known for. It’s often related to career or public reputation. So, you know, fame…. we would expect
to see here… but also infamy, You know, you’ve got your Jesse James and your Billy the Kid types and
whoever else… yeah it’s sometimes authority, parents and also bosses and it could be
authority in general; though the ninth house is the law but yeah tenth house can be authority… so
but generally, when we’re talking about it we’re talking about career matters.
– What you’re
known for as well which is where else would that be but on the top of the chart? Known for
– That’s exactly why it’s there, that yeah those houses at the top and the exact bottom
the exact one side and the other side those are at the angles and they’re very important houses
– The tenth is the very visible house whereas the fourth of the home and the family it’s
a lot more hidden (private) even though it’s an angular house. Because the first, seventh, fourth, and tenth
are what we call angular houses.
– Right and so if you have everything in the fourth house of
what… at home then you have the opposite…. your work life and that’s more public. So that is why that’s
that’s why there’s that opposition there. You’ve got your home and work and you see that opposition.
– And you know that’s why… you know an opposition does by its nature imply
that there’s a difficulty, you know, you need to be able to balance that and, you know, it’s
the natural… you know… a lot of people have issues with this – you know, balancing home and work. Or in
the case of first and seventh, you know, autonomy and doing what I want as opposed to, you know,
being diplomatic and agreeable and having a nice relationship.
– Yeah exactly. Yeah that is so so right
that is so right. It is a dynamic that’s kind of already put in place for you at the time you’re
born. It’s… you’ve got all those oppositions that are ready you know to… you can call them
oppositions or you can call them balance but they do tend to balance each other.
Speaking of balance and a balanced life you would want to go into your 11th house;
opposite the house of children and friends or children is you have in the 11th house up in
Pisces as this is showing… is your house of friends. It’s also your hopes and your dreams. It’s your
it’s your groups and it’s everybody.It’s the collective, it’s everybody in the world.
It’s other people’s… it could be other people’s children. If it’s those are your children
it could be if you’re in a second relationship it could be your potential spouse’s
– It could
– Yeah, because you take from the seventh house and count to five (5th house being children)
that’s their child. Yeah…oh yeah so and I’ve also heard it said that
you know the fifth house is what we do for our pleasure for ourselves and the eleventh house is
pleasures that we share with others. So that’s friends, groups, organizations, though there’s
the hopes and dreams for ourselves. You think that would be kind of fifth house but
that’s 11th. Maybe it’s just, I don’t know why, but yeah…
– Your friends have to show up someplace
– Yeah maybe you need to put it out into the world. Maybe you need other people.
Jupiter is in its joy here which makes a lot of sense. It’s a very
gregarious sign (planet). So yeah – it’s very expansive. Donna knows all about Jupiter in the 11th
– Yeah, I do, I well, yeah, I do have Jupiter in the 11th. It’s a nice place to have Jupiter.
Yep and then moving on to the 12th house. That is the house of isolation
self-undoing. It’s also the house of finishing up things. So
as we go around from the first house and we go all the way around the chart
we are finishing up things so we’re tidying it up and we’re moving on to the next phase of whatever
our life has in store for us and so the 12th house is the endings house.
– This is sometimes associated with addictions or hidden things, secret and hidden things.
This can include secret or hidden illnesses and what they mean by that is not that you know
you’re keeping it hidden from somebody though maybe centuries ago you might have but things like
I suppose you see it on Facebook and that people talk about these diseases that
you look fine but nobody can tell that you, you know you’re in agony right and that would be a
12th house matter. I mean it’s still sixth house (illness) but and… illness, mental illness or mental health
issues would be a 12 house matter most times.
– Depression shows up a lot in the 12th house…
sometimes when you’ve got the Sun or Mars going through that house it tends to kind of make you
really tired. It’s kind of the saps your energy. So that’s the normal chart that’s some… it’s
kind of what you can expect in a normal natal chart. Now we’re going to have a look at the Sibley
Chart and it’s called the Sibley Chart because of a doctor and astrologer in England actually who
set the time for it but…….
– Ebenezer Sibley right?
– That’s it, yeah. There’s a little bit of
contention with some people about which chart to use for the United States but this one is
very well regarded by a lot of people and it’s what we’re using and…. oh actually
I’ll leave this here first off because today is the 22nd of Feb and if you’ve been listening to
any astrology podcast or reading astrology articles you might have
heard about the return of Pluto. So you can see here… actually, let me get an annotate…
you can see Pluto here is in the same place it was in the birth chart
at 27 degrees though it’s direct this time because this red here means that it was retrograde
at the time of the Sibley Chart which was the 4th of July 1776. they’ve set it for 5 10 p.m
I’m not sure why…
– In Philadelphia
– Yep, in Philadelphia, yeah okay. Saturn in the 12th.
Okay when we originally signed the Declaration of Independence that
Saturn would have been positioned right on Saturn
in the 11th house of our hopes and dreams. In the 12th house we’re going through all of the
this time… all of the turmoil of the war. The revolutionary war didn’t… it wasn’t
just a couple of days, it was many years that we were fighting it
so Saturn is in a house for two years, about two and a half years so it started out in the 11th
house it’s now in the 12th house right around…we have it for 1779. So we’re in the throes of
of the revolutionary war and it’s hard and people aren’t getting the stuff that they normally get,
Their families are dying and it’s hard, it’s kind of self-undoing
not that it isn’t for a higher purpose but it was… it did alienate us from England
and what we were normally using for trade and and for goods and we had to figure out how to do
all that stuff by ourselves. So it was a little bit of isolation, a little bit of self-undoing
but that was the period of time that we were in when Saturn was in the 12th house.
– Yeah I was just thinking too, the 12th house is the house of exile as well and you’ve kind
of exiled yourself from the UK really in some forms… a lot, you know quite dramatically but…
– With John Hancock flair
– And this is the 12th house and where it is… this is the Benedict Arnold
yeah, so he’s known as a very famous traitor.
– Yes, yes. The fort, you were telling
me earlier was called the Fort Arnold or some establishment or settlement that was called Arnold
so he was a big name and Washington was up there with him for a couple of the winters.
So when he did that betrayal it was, it was quite a betrayal.
– Yeah, how does that expression go?
…something about betrayal never comes from
an enemy or something. You know,you’ve got to be close to really…
for true betrayal it has to come from someone you trust sort of thing.
and it was an important port he tried to sell Fort Arnold or… which was at West Point in New York
to the British or something. – Right there on the Hudson River, West Point or this establishment
that was called Arnold. It was right on the Hudson River so when those boats come in from
you know the Atlantic they go, they can go right there and you’re right in
the heart of, you know, New York and all that area. Very telling that it was in the 12th house.
Oh, you moved Saturn into the first house. Okay so we have Saturn in the first house that’s
going on. We have Cornwall in what do you have? October 19th, 1781, about two and a half years after
the previous house. Cornwall surrendered to Washington and that marked the last major fight,
battle on American soil for the Revolutionary War.
– So it’s like the beginning of the end of the
hostilities I suppose?
– .. of the war.
– First house and it’s all about the
identity, the self and you know I suppose at that time perhaps Britain recognized the U.S. as an
independent nation perhaps? I’m not sure.
– They had to surrender to somebody, so yeah.
That’s a good point.
– They acknowledged that we were at least a country.
Yeah. So that’s how that was. Yeah he had it… we were… we had done the fighting we had done
the major fighting and that was one of the last battles… happened when Saturn was in there giving
us the title of – “you have to surrender to who? The United States.” So that’s part of the self.
So Saturn in the second house that’s about the money. If you remember, that’s what we need to…
…how do we survive? Okay so it’s you can survive on the food and the everything that you’re
you’re given. You can also survive on… oh Mercury’s in there, so that has a lot to do with commerce.
– Yeah, trade.
– Yeah trade. So and…
– Actually, look at this it’s Saturn at 23, opposite the natal Mercury
there. So yeah, be interesting to know if that was one of the first international trades they
were involved with or not.
– I believe it was or at least my sources which was
www.americasbesthistory.com is where I got my information and that’s when… that is when we sold cotton to
the U.K. They became great neighbors and trade partners as well as allies now
so yeah, it was a tough relationship but I’m glad we got… we went through it. Moving on to the third
house. This is kind of cool, it has to do with local travel. So we’re not talking about jet
planes and we’re not talking about rockets. It was John Fitch demonstrated his steamboat
which is local travel.
– Yeah, yeah. Like along rivers and… because you’ve got a lot of rivers over there.
We do have a lot of rivers.
– Well you seem to all these great lakes and…
Yeah yeah well in my neck of the woods there are a lot of rivers and lakes, much to
you’ll find out Lewis and Clark’s chagrin. They did not appreciate them but i do.
So there… the steamboat was launched and demonstrated for
local travel and that’s how it signified in the third house on the Sibley Chart
– Very important I’m sure. You know because I mean, there’s no cars back then,
you know horses took a while. I suppose the steamboat was a lot faster.
… but yeah we have a… we have not only the Hudson River but we also have the Mississippi which runs
straight through the country, you know, North and South so…
– oh wow… – plenty of opportunity for boating.
So moving on to the fourth house this is really, really cool. When we have been, you know, we have
gone through that war – we’re starting to come up and trying to formulate a country. We get Saturn
moves into the fourth house and we’re looking for a fatherland, we’re looking for somebody who
we can say we came, our lineages from him and that is when we voted for George Washington
….unanimously was voted in as our first president. Our fatherland which it is just so cool, I mean it’s
the… the symbolism is so striking.
– Is he known as the father of the country or anything like that?
Yes he is known as the father of our country. Well the fact, a lot of them, Washington,
Jefferson, you know…
– Oh, they’re the founding fathers…
– they’re the founding fathers, yeah.
Nice. Well the fifth house has to do with pleasure it has to do with children
it has to do… the things that we create. Okay so let’s see in my notes, it has December 15 1791…
(you don’t change the thing)… is when the Bill of Rights takes effect which was
kind of something cool that we created.
– That’s a point, I never thought of it like that. Yeah
it’s the creation of the country’s kind of creed I suppose.
– Right yeah that everybody has rights and
everybody should have free rights in this country is how it was meant to be. How it was
that was the idea of our founding fathers.
– It’s also very protective too, like there’s
you know the right not to incriminate yourself and to you know bear arms and
all sorts of things. Freedom of religion I suppose and…
– freedom of the press. mm-hmm.
– Yeah we also
that was in… you have February 20th 1792 the U.S. post office was established. Now if…
… I know there’s a lot of email going around but back in the day, we had a post office, we had stamps
that you put on an envelope and a lot of times you would have your artwork or you would have
your queen or your ruler or well a lot of times in America, we have our artwork on our stamps
and we ship those throughout the world to show them off so it’s a great fifth house.
– Yeah, that really took me by surprise. It was like “oh” and you know… and then when you said about
the artwork it’s like… oh of course. You know, I mean, and like you said it goes worldwide, it’s brilliant.
– Yeah yeah it’s… if you can stop and look at the symbolism you can see all of these things
happening and it’s… and Saturn is the, is the is this, is the same thing that’s going through…
going – all right now how are we going to structure this? And how are we going to structure this? And
how are we going to structure that? And how are we going to structure this? Yeah that’s kind of
what we’re all, you know, that’s what this is trying to… this… that’s hopefully what this is showing us.
– And that is not only helping structure but it’s giving that stability and longevity
for these things like the Bill of Rights. I mean, you know, it’s written what, 250 years
ago or something? Or maybe not quite, you know 240 something years ago and it’s still
referred to and you know, even us in other countries know about – you know right…
what is it? Something about the fifth. I’m gonna invoke the fifth.
People use that (here) and it’s like, it doesn’t count in this country.
– Yeah you don’t have to make me incriminate
myself if I don’t want to. Yeah, that was… it’s a fair thing. It’s a good offer sometimes.
So, in the sixth house, it’s what we do daily. So it’s, you know, it could be
exercise, it could be eating, it could be taking care of your health. It could be
you know making sure your dog is fed or you know your pets are fed. So it’s the house of
minor quadrupeds, as far as Valens says, Is that how he terms the animals? That you can pick up?
– Yeah, I think up to a horse or a goat. I think up to a goat maybe. Yeah, horses are 12 I believe.
– Yes, if you can ride it, it’s a it’s in the 12th house but in the sixth
house you have the smaller animals and stuff like that. It also has to do with illness
and you have August 17th ninth or seventeen ninety eight
– Yeah, but it was 1793. I’ve got 1793,
– 1793, I was reading it wrong. That was the time that we had
an epidemic. Lost 5 000 people along the docks of Philadelphia due to a mosquito-borne illness
on the docks.
– Yellow fever I believe.
– Yeah well 5 000
people back in 1793.
– That’s a lot of people.
– Yeah, it is a lot of people definitely.
The six houses is…. illnesses tend to crop up in the sixth house and if you don’t take
care of them they end up messing with you in the 12th house is what I was told.
– Yeah, I could see
how that be. I was thinking you know if you don’t pay attention, you’ll end up on the 8th (death).
– Yeah yeah. So moving on to August 3rd 1795. General Wayne signs a treaty
at Fort Greenfield or Greenville in Ohio with Indians
in an attempt to try to make peace with “the other”. If it’s Americans here on
in the first house – it’s the people who are living right with us would be the indigenous people
and they’re represented in the seventh house and that’s when we did a treaty with them.
– Very close to that descendant too at the time.
– Yeah the natal descendant of the United States.
– Just about coming up on it yeah very close
Yeah also we did sign a treaty in Madrid
establishing colonies. Spanish colonies in our area. – And you’ve got your eight houses
Then we have the eighth house so with Saturn sitting right there we have
congress had ordered the U.S. Navy to capture 84 armed French ships because they were raiding
the United States ships. The eighth house has to do with death, other people’s money,
maybe even pirating, I don’t know.
– Yeah, I’m gonna look up …I’m gonna find out what pirating comes under (Pluto, Mars & Neptune).
Yeah, I have a book here that has a lot of things. I’m going to look that up. It has to do with some
with other people’s money i would suspect
because banks aren’t….
– Actually Saturn, that works perfectly because Saturn is related
to ships and that. So yeah, I like that yeah. Yeah well, Saturn has a lot of structure to it
yeah, which is… it’s kind of cool. I’ve had to
I’ve had to become comfortable with Saturn, it resides in my tenth house
Yeah, yeah. It’s not the most fun planet is it?
– Yes it’s, it definitely is eye-opening.
So the next house is my favorite house of all. You have…
this is the house of higher education it is the house of courts and law, your values
and so in we have April 24th, 1800 the Library of Congress – so that’s higher learning The Library
of Congress was formed. I like how the North Node is there, which is… just it gives you a lot.
The ninth house also has a lot to do with the higher courts and
January 20th, 1801, John Marshall was appointed the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
So Saturn in that house had a lot to do with that higher education, where our values are, you know,
the court system, that type of thing.
– Yeah, yeah the rule of law, yeah.
– So, moving on to the 10th house
which has to do with what you’re known for.
Could be work-related but in the 10th house when Saturn got into the Sibley Chart for the
10th house for the United States, New York, the New York Post was published in 1801. July 4th, 1802
West Point opens. So, the property that Benedict Arnold tried selling off to our enemies
was renamed, to get the Arnold name off of that area of land and
it was named to West Point and that is where our military seems to come from.
– Yeah, very famous military school there. Even overseas countries are aware of, you know, West
Point. It’s, you know, where your elite kind of military train. So, academy.
– Yeah yeah and then
-Was there another one for the 10th? Oh yes, the Louisiana Purchase.
– Oh, the Louisiana Purchase
Thomas Jefferson doubled the size of the United States
for the Louisiana Purchase in April 30th, 1803
and then I believe
on the 11th house when Saturn goes to there we’re back with Lewis and Clark… goes exploring
the western part of the United States. Those are the hopes and dreams coming back again.
Yeah, Lewis and Clark was not a fan of Michigan. They wrote in their journals that they were…
that Michigan was full of bugs and uninhabitable due to the mosquitoes. So
we’ve come to live with them. It’s the state that I’m from – it says “hi” to
the world. I like Michigan. I’m a fan of Michigan.Lewis and Clark aren’t but, you know…
– I imagine
anywhere that an explorer went that had a lot of water would have that issue, I would have thought.
– Well, Michigan is known i think… within every four or seven miles you’re you’re you’re within…
you’re next to a creek, either a creek or some kind of body of water with Michigan. So
we have a lot.
– Oh okay.
– So yeah that, I think that’s why the mosquitoes were so bad. I don’t…
– Maybe they were having a bad week.
– Maybe they were, but yeah that is
… and then we’re back to, you know, the 12th when… oh yeah, I forgot in 1801 Thomas Jefferson
proposed all slavery… slavery to be prohibited and was defeated by just one vote and that would
have been put in the ninth house in 1801.That was when Thomas Jefferson
wanted to get rid of slavery and was defeated. We ended up
if you can… (move the chart back to then)
Yeah just at the tail end. Yeah if it was earlier in the year it would have been the
ninth house. Yeah, yeah in 1808…so where is Saturn in 1808? Can you possibly
move? That’s 1808. Right, it’s the house of finishing and endings and
Congress makes it illegal to import slaves to take effect January 1st, 1808.
Yeah, the philosophical change originally started in 1801 and finally ended up… it took us
two, four, six, eight… eight years to have it actually illegal to import slaves into this country. Yeah
so from 1808 when it became illegal for 60 some odd years I’m thinking it was not
very legal to be importing slaves but yeah, yeah. So that, that’s all, that’s how the country started.
How our… how we evolved and developed and hopefully you have learned something about the houses…
a little bit about the americans….
– Really interesting. I was… just wanted to have a
look here when the Constitution was drawn up too. I think we forgot to mention it but
Saturn was here in the third but Neptune, which is very idealistic was sitting right on the natal
Saturn. I like that in the 11th house of hopes and dreams and ideals and that
when at the… what we would call the natal chart of the USA that Saturn is in the 11th house of
hopes and dreams and yeah and that Saturn is very strong in that natal chart as it’s
in Libra. So, it’s exalted.
– Yes, it wants to be fair that’s… that’s the scales of Libra kind of…
– Well, that was very interesting Miss Donna.
– I thought it was interesting. I absolutely love doing it, I’m not
a… I’m not a big fan of history but i do like a little bit of history. I think it shows
everybody the houses which is… leads to easier conversations when you go…. oh you’ve got something
going on in your, you know, in your house and they’ll be like “well what house are you looking at?”
I’m looking at the fourth house, you know, you know so I think if you… it opens up the conversation
for people to at least know what the houses are. Yeah i look forward to doing other little
views into how the other techniques work…of like zodiacal releasing, solar returns,
progress charts. I hope to be able to do those as soon as whenever we can.
– Yeah, it’s always just finding time isn’t it? But we’re going to put a link to Donna’s article
on the… in the description because it’s a great article and it goes into more detail and you can
look at the charts there, and also I might put in the description as well just a rough
guide of what all the houses mean just for a normal natal chart so yeah… and where can
people find you, Donna? You can you can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org or you can get to
my website which is www.donnabastrology.com and there’s contact information there.
And you’re available for readings and crystal layouts …
– I am available. I am available for readings, I do do layouts
crystal layouts as well. We could… did you want to talk about Saturn stone?
– Oh, yes that’s a
– Yes all right, you can wear stones. This is an Onyx, looks like this
it’s a black stone. Saturn is always… tends to be black. Yeah it is the darker of the stones
and I would tell… I would say that they’re okay stones, they’re good to have around every once
in a while. You don’t want to have… you don’t want to have six of these in your pockets, you know.
A lot of people ask me about stones… you don’t want to have six of these in your pockets and walk
around with them all day. If you do you’re not gonna feel, yeah, light and springy
and you’re gonna feel down and dark.
– That’s what these do but having these in… if you
have these in your possession they… and you’re working with them… they help you to stick with
whatever you say you’re going to do.
– It does sound very Saturn-like doesn’t it? It’s that
stability and that reliability. I’m just thinking if you’re feeling really flighty
it would be really good to have that on you… but like you said too
much… because Saturn is kind of a little bit depressing…
– Yes …
– it’s kind of a downer
– Yeah, a little bit goes a long way. Yes it can pull you down. I’ve known people who have
said – “oh if one is working good I’ll have five” and then they walk around with them
and then three weeks later they’re going – “you know, I feel so bad, you know” – and it’s like well
what are you doing? It’s like what kind of stones do you have? And they were like “well…. you know
that onyx maybe or you know a black stone made me feel real good… I wanted to do more of them
and so I stuck them in my pockets” and I’m like “no – you don’t want to do that! One is okay.
Overdosing on stones isn’t going to make you feel good.”
– (they need to come with a warning label)
I’m sorry, what?
– They need to come with a warning label.
– They do. Ten is not better than one.
– Yeah so, just moderation in all things.
– Yeah, as my grandmother said “moderation in everything”.
– Where can people get a hold of you now that I’m done with Saturn’s stuff?
– I am at Scullywag
Astrology. I’m on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram. My website is www.astrology.scullywag.com
and yeah, I’m available for readings, so yeah
– Great that sounds, that sounds great and I can hardly wait to…. yeah well tomorrow
night to do the New Moon for Pisces. That would be good and then we’re going to have to do the
the Aries Ingress chart soon too, which will be very interesting because we’ll be looking at
the charts for the U.S., Australia, Canada and maybe the UK. Yeah and that’ll be here before we know
it. That should be great I look forward to it. Okay bye, everyone. Thank you very much, bye, bye.
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