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– Hello I’m Lynda from Scullywag Astrology
– and I’m Donna from Donna B Astrology
– and this is

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Astro Babble where we babble about astrology and today we’re talking about the astrological houses.

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These are the houses that are the different areas of your life. We look at different

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houses to tell what’s going on in different areas of your life and we’re also going to

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go through the Sibley Chart which is the U.S. chart. It’s like a natal chart for the U.S.

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and Donna has done an article about Saturn through the houses of the Sibley chart and

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it was very interesting. So we’ve decided to put it on the podcast.
– Yes it was very interesting

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it’s an easy way to learn. Our purpose as always is to get the astrology conversation

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going more and if you guys know where the houses are and what they do and what they

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represent and how they’ll show up in your life, it’s an easier way to learn your natal chart

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and I’m going through what a lot of Americans know is their history

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…helps everybody to be able to understand what the houses do and how they signify in a life

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or the life of America. So it should be fun. It’s an interesting way to learn a little bit

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of history and astrology. You’re pulling up the chart for right now so we can see where Pluto is

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today as we’re recording. Pluto is going to be at the exact same spot as it was on the day we

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signed the Declaration of Independence.Well, not us …
– So that must be…
– well Americans did

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– Well, yeah, so it must be about 248 years then because Pluto takes about 248 / 250 years to

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go all the way around a natal chart.
– Right. So we didn’t know Pluto was sitting there at 27 degrees

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Capricorn when we signed the declaration but it did and it was there and that’s what kind

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of inspired me to write that article because if we know how… that Saturn is all about structure

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and foundation and if we knew how it was built then it’s easier to understand where the houses

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are represented through the Sibley Chart.This is a Sibley … well we will be looking

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at the Sibley Chart.
– Yeah, we’ll look at the Sibley Chart soon that will be

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very interesting. For most people,well if you can see the screen

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a horoscope or an astrology chart is split into 12 like slices and each house or each slice

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is kind of looks after a different part of your life. So at the nine o’clock position, we have the

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first house and when we (flubbed word)…. start again….. when people talk about the ascendant or your

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rising sign it’s usually the start of the first house. Or if you’re like Donna and me and you use

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Whole Sign Houses it will be floating inside the first house.
-Yeah.
– And the first house

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is “how we dawn on others” as Steven Forrest says…he’s a very famous astrologer. I always liked that…

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“how we dawn on others”. How we… others see us because the ascendant is determined by

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the sign and degree coming up over the horizon at the time, date and place of your birth

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and it can also refer to your vitality, your appearance and yeah

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your kind of personality. Some people call it a mask that you put on in front of others

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– Yeah
– and if you’re somebody that has a very different ascendant to your sun sign or your

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moon sign sometimes it can be you can seem like a different person to different people.
– And it…

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the first house starts right there at the nine o’clock position. I like Bernadette Brady

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and she says at that moment is when life meets matter. That’s where you take your first breath

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in a natal chart or exactly when a a city gets started, right at that ascendant.
– Yeah yeah some

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cities we’re very lucky to know… I think Baghdad’s one… I think they actually erected a chart for

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when they would actually .. (flubbed words)….. I can’t even say it…. proclaim Baghdad so

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it’s pretty interesting.
– Yeah, it was I think Masha Allah did… I think he elected that

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when the city was going to be started.
– I believe so yes.
– And you based that on strength and

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the benefic planets and that kind of thing.
– Yeah, Donna knows all about electional astrology

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and sometime in the future we’ll do a podcast about that. Like how, you know, if you’ve got

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an important event coming up – say a wedding or you know, a meeting and you want it to go well…

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you can elect it to have the best possible outcome.
– Or launching a website or a business

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– Or maybe even, you know, if you have some choice in…

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if you know that you’re having a caesarean… if you have some choice in time or date

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I’m sure it’s done. Actually I believe there was Princess Eugenie or Beatrice…

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she was born on like the 8th or the 8th, 88 or something and I believe there was some

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talk that yeah…. that was possibly…. she was induced to be born on such an auspicious date.

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– Yeah, it’s called the Lions Gate 88. It’s called the Lion gate it’s uh supposed to be fierce

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So yeah, so that’s the first house. The second house has everything to do with

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your money, what it takes to survive. So your assets would be shown in using the second house

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– And your income, your possessions, and your resources which can also be not just finances and

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possessions but things that are useful. I’ve heard people say that even assistants then…

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and I’ve heard people talk about food because, you know, we actually need food, otherwise, we die. So

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you know, it’s what nurtures yeah what nourishes us I suppose. And then we have the

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third house. This is the house of siblings and it’s also our local area, local neighborhood. It’s

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sometimes family, like cousins and that… it’s you know, close to the fourth house, which is home.

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Short distance travel and just communications you know. If you’ve got something

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going on in your third house you might be doing a lot of running around. Like if you’ve got

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Mars in your third house… the tempo of your day-to-day life might pick up quite dramatically

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or you know, you might be getting into arguments with siblings or your neighbors.

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– Yeah, it has, yeah, it has to do with anything that’s… if you can easily go there for the

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afternoon and run an errand that’s where the third house type of stuff is. It’s like

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the short communicate or yeah short communication, short trips… so it’s you know like the grocery

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store, the banks, the places in your community that you are very familiar with.

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It wouldn’t… we’re not talking about anything where you have to, you know, pack a lunch and

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find overnight… staying somewhere else… we’re talking about the city that you are in, that you

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live in and where you do your errands. So that’s all represented in the third house and

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– And if you were somebody who, like, travels across country but you’re doing it several times a week

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that wouldn’t necessarily be long-distance. For some people if they do that once every couple

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of years that would be long distance but it’s that…that happening often, that this is your general

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kind of routine… then that for somebody like that… that would be kind of a third house thing.

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– Right, it’s what you’re familiar with. Yeah.
-Yes
– I travel from one side of the state to the

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other all the time in the warmer weather and yeah it’s … I would consider over here

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where my home is just as familiar as, you know, on the other side where, you know, the beach is at. Yeah.

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So I would, I would find those both very familiar because I’m in both spots
– Yeah
– 50% of the time.
– Often. Yeah

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– So the fourth house is where your lineage comes from. I’ve done some

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stonework with lineage but beyond that, we’re talking astrology. It’s where the father

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comes from or the fatherland or your ancestors. If you’re talking about your grandmother’s

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whatever it might be in the fourth house. The things that you… where you come from

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is as well the fourth house. It is also if you’re talking about

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you know things that might happen to your house. If Venus is in your house you might be getting

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your house painted at that time, you know. If you…when you go to look at stuff from when you’ve

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done improvement projects, you’ll see that Venus very well might be aspecting that fourth house.

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– Oh exactly, exactly and yeah our home, our living situation, and real estate matters. So

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there’s that whole home and on a deeper level family, parents and homeland as you were saying.

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Then we’ve got the fun house, the fifth house. This is children, creativity,

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fun activities, hobbies, sport, recreation, gambling, romance, sex – all the good stuff.

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– Yeah, the things that we do for pleasure are in there, as well as arts. The arts are in there.

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– Yes, yes it’s the…. Venus is in her joy in this house and actually while I think of it

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we’ll go back very briefly…. Mercury is in its joy in the first house…

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and then we’ve got a not so fun house, the sixth.
– After the fun, sometimes if you haven’t

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been paying attention, the sixth house will come in and climb up

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on you after you’ve been having too much fun. The sixth house has everything to do with illness

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or your pets. So if you weren’t taking care of your pets they might have made your house a mess.

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Yeah the sixth house has, it has a lot to do with illness. It also has a lot to do

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with people that you are in charge of.
– Yeah. So that could be employees, traditionally it was the

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house of slaves but today it would be employees. Some people also see it as a house of service. So

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if you were being of service to somebody or, you know, if you’re in a job where you feel like you’re

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very hardly done by and that… you know, your boss is a real taskmaster and this is really….

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10th house is our jobs but sometimes if you’re feeling really overwhelmed and over worked

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sometimes the sixth can be appropriate for that. Daily routines as well. This is the joy of Mars.

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Mars is one of the malefics. It likes to cause a bit of trouble, so it’s not surprising it’s in…

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finds its joy in the sixth house.
– And then under the seventh house that is the house of the

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other. The house of the one-on-one relationships or if you have like a group of people and a group

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of another people like a school team, like a basketball team, if you have… if the school team

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is on the house represented in house one; the players on the other team would be represented

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by the house in the seventh house. Those are open enemies. Those are people that you know, that you’re

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opposing, that you have to get along with or you should get along with. You need to

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get along with… that would be your husband…your spouse is also represented in that house

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somebody you should be getting along with but that you are, you have a relationship that is

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a one-on-one relationship that’s where the seventh house comes in.

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– Yeah, a lot of people look at it as the house of marriage and that the sign on the descendant

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can be indicative of a marriage partner but it’s also, you know, business partners and it’s also very

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good friends. We have friends in the 11th house but really good close… those close one-on-one

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relationships are seventh house.
– Right. Your doctor would be represented in the seventh house.

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– Yeah.
– Because it’s that one-on-one relationship.
– Yeah.
– Right. And then the eighth house is

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is all about other people’s money, wills, trusts. How I look at it – if you were to look at the bottom

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half of that… of this circle and the first house is the other person… go to… the first house is you

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the seventh house is the other person. So if the second house is your finances the

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the eighth house would be the other person’s finances. It goes on and it goes, it’s like the

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one step up from what we went through the first time. Now we’re including the other people on the

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top half of the chart. So in the eighth house is other people’s money. It would be trusts, it

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would be your wills. It’s also known as the house of transformation. It has to do with

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other yeah, other people’s money. Their trusts, transformations

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but as well… I want to say the eighth house has

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yeah I’m drawing a blank at what I want to say.
– Yeah it’s other people’s money which can

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include things like taxation and insurances and loans and debts. It can be, you know, as this

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seventh house is the relationship the eighth house is the second from the seventh

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so it’s the finances and resources of the relationship. Inheritances because this

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is also a house that’s associated with death.
– And then the ninth house….
– it’s one of the more feared houses….

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– It is a feared house. It’s a feared house but you almost need to go through that in order to get

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that transformation that’s needed. I don’t think a lot of people really get that you can’t grow

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if you’re not changing and transforming is changing. So it’s all part of growth.

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The ninth house has got to do with higher education. The third

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house is for early learning; the ninth house is for the higher education.

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It has to do with philosophy. It has to do with higher education. It has to do with astrology.

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You’ll get your clerical people who have… if you have Saturn in there

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I would suspect a lot of people have… are in…are working very closely with the church

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or higher education and that type of thing.

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– Yeah, yeah. It’s other cultures, beliefs, religion.
– Yeah and it’s also the far away.
– Yeah

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long-distance travel. Foreigners and yeah, things like astrology, tarot, your esoteric subjects so…

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and the Sun is actually in its joy there.
– Yes.

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– And then we have the tenth house which is all about what’s visible. It’s what you’re

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known for. It’s often related to career or public reputation. So, you know, fame…. we would expect

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to see here… but also infamy, You know, you’ve got your Jesse James and your Billy the Kid types and

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whoever else… yeah it’s sometimes authority, parents and also bosses and it could be

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authority in general; though the ninth house is the law but yeah tenth house can be authority… so

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but generally, when we’re talking about it we’re talking about career matters.
– What you’re

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known for as well which is where else would that be but on the top of the chart? Known for

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it.
– Exactly.
– That’s exactly why it’s there, that yeah those houses at the top and the exact bottom

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the exact one side and the other side those are at the angles and they’re very important houses

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– The tenth is the very visible house whereas the fourth of the home and the family it’s

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a lot more hidden (private) even though it’s an angular house. Because the first, seventh, fourth, and tenth

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are what we call angular houses.
– Right and so if you have everything in the fourth house of

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what… at home then you have the opposite…. your work life and that’s more public. So that is why that’s

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that’s why there’s that opposition there. You’ve got your home and work and you see that opposition.

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– And you know that’s why… you know an opposition does by its nature imply

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that there’s a difficulty, you know, you need to be able to balance that and, you know, it’s

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the natural… you know… a lot of people have issues with this – you know, balancing home and work. Or in

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the case of first and seventh, you know, autonomy and doing what I want as opposed to, you know,

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being diplomatic and agreeable and having a nice relationship.
– Yeah exactly. Yeah that is so so right

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that is so right. It is a dynamic that’s kind of already put in place for you at the time you’re

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born. It’s… you’ve got all those oppositions that are ready you know to… you can call them

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oppositions or you can call them balance but they do tend to balance each other.

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Speaking of balance and a balanced life you would want to go into your 11th house;

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opposite the house of children and friends or children is you have in the 11th house up in

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Pisces as this is showing… is your house of friends. It’s also your hopes and your dreams. It’s your

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it’s your groups and it’s everybody.It’s the collective, it’s everybody in the world.

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It’s other people’s… it could be other people’s children. If it’s those are your children

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it could be if you’re in a second relationship it could be your potential spouse’s

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children.
-Yeah.
– It could
– Yeah, because you take from the seventh house and count to five (5th house being children)

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that’s their child. Yeah…oh yeah so and I’ve also heard it said that

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you know the fifth house is what we do for our pleasure for ourselves and the eleventh house is

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pleasures that we share with others. So that’s friends, groups, organizations, though there’s

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the hopes and dreams for ourselves. You think that would be kind of fifth house but

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that’s 11th. Maybe it’s just, I don’t know why, but yeah…
– Your friends have to show up someplace

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– Yeah maybe you need to put it out into the world. Maybe you need other people.

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Jupiter is in its joy here which makes a lot of sense. It’s a very

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gregarious sign (planet). So yeah – it’s very expansive. Donna knows all about Jupiter in the 11th

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– Yeah, I do, I well, yeah, I do have Jupiter in the 11th. It’s a nice place to have Jupiter.

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Yep and then moving on to the 12th house. That is the house of isolation

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self-undoing. It’s also the house of finishing up things. So

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as we go around from the first house and we go all the way around the chart

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we are finishing up things so we’re tidying it up and we’re moving on to the next phase of whatever

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our life has in store for us and so the 12th house is the endings house.

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– This is sometimes associated with addictions or hidden things, secret and hidden things.

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This can include secret or hidden illnesses and what they mean by that is not that you know

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you’re keeping it hidden from somebody though maybe centuries ago you might have but things like

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I suppose you see it on Facebook and that people talk about these diseases that

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you look fine but nobody can tell that you, you know you’re in agony right and that would be a

0:23:49.520,0:23:56.960
12th house matter. I mean it’s still sixth house (illness) but and… illness, mental illness or mental health

0:23:56.960,0:24:05.840
issues would be a 12 house matter most times.
– Depression shows up a lot in the 12th house…
– And

0:24:05.840,0:24:11.360
sometimes when you’ve got the Sun or Mars going through that house it tends to kind of make you

0:24:11.360,0:24:19.520
really tired. It’s kind of the saps your energy. So that’s the normal chart that’s some… it’s

0:24:19.520,0:24:25.440
kind of what you can expect in a normal natal chart. Now we’re going to have a look at the Sibley

0:24:25.440,0:24:35.280
Chart and it’s called the Sibley Chart because of a doctor and astrologer in England actually who

0:24:35.280,0:24:42.960
set the time for it but…….
– Ebenezer Sibley right?
– That’s it, yeah. There’s a little bit of

0:24:42.960,0:24:50.480
contention with some people about which chart to use for the United States but this one is

0:24:51.520,0:24:56.640
very well regarded by a lot of people and it’s what we’re using and…. oh actually

0:24:56.640,0:25:03.920
I’ll leave this here first off because today is the 22nd of Feb and if you’ve been listening to

0:25:06.240,0:25:10.560
any astrology podcast or reading astrology articles you might have

0:25:10.560,0:25:18.800
heard about the return of Pluto. So you can see here… actually, let me get an annotate…

0:25:20.960,0:25:27.840
you can see Pluto here is in the same place it was in the birth chart

0:25:28.480,0:25:34.800
at 27 degrees though it’s direct this time because this red here means that it was retrograde

0:25:36.080,0:25:45.120
at the time of the Sibley Chart which was the 4th of July 1776. they’ve set it for 5 10 p.m

0:25:46.160,0:25:56.160
I’m not sure why…
– In Philadelphia
– Yep, in Philadelphia, yeah okay. Saturn in the 12th.

0:25:56.160,0:26:01.760
Okay when we originally signed the Declaration of Independence that

0:26:01.760,0:26:04.560
Saturn would have been positioned right on Saturn

0:26:06.160,0:26:16.080
in the 11th house of our hopes and dreams. In the 12th house we’re going through all of the

0:26:18.960,0:26:25.440
this time… all of the turmoil of the war. The revolutionary war didn’t… it wasn’t

0:26:25.440,0:26:30.400
just a couple of days, it was many years that we were fighting it

0:26:32.400,0:26:39.200
so Saturn is in a house for two years, about two and a half years so it started out in the 11th

0:26:39.200,0:26:48.240
house it’s now in the 12th house right around…we have it for 1779. So we’re in the throes of

0:26:48.240,0:26:56.240
of the revolutionary war and it’s hard and people aren’t getting the stuff that they normally get,

0:26:56.240,0:27:04.240
Their families are dying and it’s hard, it’s kind of self-undoing

0:27:05.600,0:27:13.600
not that it isn’t for a higher purpose but it was… it did alienate us from England

0:27:13.600,0:27:21.920
and what we were normally using for trade and and for goods and we had to figure out how to do

0:27:21.920,0:27:28.560
all that stuff by ourselves. So it was a little bit of isolation, a little bit of self-undoing

0:27:29.360,0:27:34.160
but that was the period of time that we were in when Saturn was in the 12th house.

0:27:35.440,0:27:40.960
– Yeah I was just thinking too, the 12th house is the house of exile as well and you’ve kind

0:27:40.960,0:27:48.960
of exiled yourself from the UK really in some forms… a lot, you know quite dramatically but…

0:27:51.200,0:27:53.120
– With John Hancock flair

0:27:56.560,0:28:02.480
– And this is the 12th house and where it is… this is the Benedict Arnold

0:28:03.440,0:28:13.920
yeah, so he’s known as a very famous traitor.
– Yes, yes. The fort, you were telling

0:28:13.920,0:28:22.240
me earlier was called the Fort Arnold or some establishment or settlement that was called Arnold

0:28:22.880,0:28:31.680
so he was a big name and Washington was up there with him for a couple of the winters.

0:28:33.120,0:28:42.320
So when he did that betrayal it was, it was quite a betrayal.
– Yeah, how does that expression go?

0:28:43.840,0:28:46.160
…something about betrayal never comes from

0:28:47.680,0:28:50.880
an enemy or something. You know,you’ve got to be close to really…

0:28:52.720,0:28:58.880
for true betrayal it has to come from someone you trust sort of thing.
– Yes.
– Yeah

0:28:59.440,0:29:10.160
and it was an important port he tried to sell Fort Arnold or… which was at West Point in New York

0:29:10.160,0:29:16.960
to the British or something. – Right there on the Hudson River, West Point or this establishment

0:29:16.960,0:29:23.760
that was called Arnold. It was right on the Hudson River so when those boats come in from

0:29:23.760,0:29:27.200
you know the Atlantic they go, they can go right there and you’re right in

0:29:28.880,0:29:35.600
the heart of, you know, New York and all that area. Very telling that it was in the 12th house.

0:29:36.800,0:29:43.760
Oh, you moved Saturn into the first house. Okay so we have Saturn in the first house that’s

0:29:43.760,0:29:52.000
going on. We have Cornwall in what do you have? October 19th, 1781, about two and a half years after

0:29:53.040,0:30:02.800
the previous house. Cornwall surrendered to Washington and that marked the last major fight,

0:30:04.320,0:30:14.000
battle on American soil for the Revolutionary War.
– So it’s like the beginning of the end of the

0:30:15.360,0:30:23.120
hostilities I suppose?
– Yes.
– .. of the war.
– Yes,
– nice.
– Exactly.
– First house and it’s all about the

0:30:23.120,0:30:31.840
identity, the self and you know I suppose at that time perhaps Britain recognized the U.S. as an

0:30:31.840,0:30:37.920
independent nation perhaps? I’m not sure.
– They had to surrender to somebody, so yeah.

0:30:39.840,0:30:43.840
That’s a good point.
– They acknowledged that we were at least a country.

0:30:47.760,0:30:57.200
Yeah. So that’s how that was. Yeah he had it… we were… we had done the fighting we had done

0:30:57.200,0:31:05.040
the major fighting and that was one of the last battles… happened when Saturn was in there giving

0:31:05.040,0:31:13.440
us the title of – “you have to surrender to who? The United States.” So that’s part of the self.

0:31:14.080,0:31:22.160
So Saturn in the second house that’s about the money. If you remember, that’s what we need to…

0:31:24.480,0:31:32.960
…how do we survive? Okay so it’s you can survive on the food and the everything that you’re

0:31:32.960,0:31:41.680
you’re given. You can also survive on… oh Mercury’s in there, so that has a lot to do with commerce.

0:31:43.760,0:31:53.760
– Yeah, trade.
– Yeah trade. So and…
– Actually, look at this it’s Saturn at 23, opposite the natal Mercury

0:31:53.760,0:32:01.120
there. So yeah, be interesting to know if that was one of the first international trades they

0:32:01.120,0:32:11.360
were involved with or not.
– I believe it was or at least my sources which was

0:32:11.360,0:32:19.360
www.americasbesthistory.com is where I got my information and that’s when… that is when we sold cotton to

0:32:20.400,0:32:28.720
the U.K. They became great neighbors and trade partners as well as allies now

0:32:28.720,0:32:35.440
so yeah, it was a tough relationship but I’m glad we got… we went through it. Moving on to the third

0:32:35.440,0:32:41.920
house. This is kind of cool, it has to do with local travel. So we’re not talking about jet

0:32:41.920,0:32:52.960
planes and we’re not talking about rockets. It was John Fitch demonstrated his steamboat

0:32:54.560,0:33:01.840
which is local travel.
– Yeah, yeah. Like along rivers and… because you’ve got a lot of rivers over there.

0:33:02.640,0:33:09.360
We do have a lot of rivers.
– Well you seem to all these great lakes and…

0:33:09.360,0:33:19.040
Yeah yeah well in my neck of the woods there are a lot of rivers and lakes, much to

0:33:19.600,0:33:25.120
you’ll find out Lewis and Clark’s chagrin. They did not appreciate them but i do.

0:33:26.960,0:33:33.520
So there… the steamboat was launched and demonstrated for

0:33:33.520,0:33:38.080
local travel and that’s how it signified in the third house on the Sibley Chart

0:33:41.520,0:33:46.160
– Very important I’m sure. You know because I mean, there’s no cars back then,

0:33:46.160,0:33:50.160
you know horses took a while. I suppose the steamboat was a lot faster.

0:33:51.680,0:33:56.480
… but yeah we have a… we have not only the Hudson River but we also have the Mississippi which runs

0:33:56.480,0:34:05.840
straight through the country, you know, North and South so…
– oh wow… – plenty of opportunity for boating.

0:34:10.400,0:34:19.520
So moving on to the fourth house this is really, really cool. When we have been, you know, we have

0:34:19.520,0:34:26.560
gone through that war – we’re starting to come up and trying to formulate a country. We get Saturn

0:34:26.560,0:34:33.040
moves into the fourth house and we’re looking for a fatherland, we’re looking for somebody who

0:34:33.040,0:34:42.000
we can say we came, our lineages from him and that is when we voted for George Washington

0:34:42.000,0:34:50.000
….unanimously was voted in as our first president. Our fatherland which it is just so cool, I mean it’s

0:34:50.000,0:34:57.760
the… the symbolism is so striking.
– Is he known as the father of the country or anything like that?

0:34:57.760,0:35:04.480
Yes he is known as the father of our country. Well the fact, a lot of them, Washington,

0:35:05.040,0:35:09.840
Jefferson, you know…
– Oh, they’re the founding fathers…
– they’re the founding fathers, yeah.

0:35:12.000,0:35:17.280
Nice. Well the fifth house has to do with pleasure it has to do with children

0:35:17.280,0:35:29.680
it has to do… the things that we create. Okay so let’s see in my notes, it has December 15 1791…

0:35:29.680,0:35:37.280
(you don’t change the thing)… is when the Bill of Rights takes effect which was

0:35:38.560,0:35:44.480
kind of something cool that we created.
– That’s a point, I never thought of it like that. Yeah

0:35:44.480,0:35:52.800
it’s the creation of the country’s kind of creed I suppose.
– Right yeah that everybody has rights and

0:35:52.800,0:36:01.600
everybody should have free rights in this country is how it was meant to be. How it was

0:36:03.040,0:36:11.360
that was the idea of our founding fathers.
– It’s also very protective too, like there’s

0:36:11.360,0:36:18.240
you know the right not to incriminate yourself and to you know bear arms and

0:36:19.120,0:36:29.200
all sorts of things. Freedom of religion I suppose and…
– freedom of the press. mm-hmm.
– Yeah we also

0:36:29.200,0:36:37.280
that was in… you have February 20th 1792 the U.S. post office was established. Now if…

0:36:39.200,0:36:45.600
… I know there’s a lot of email going around but back in the day, we had a post office, we had stamps

0:36:45.600,0:36:51.440
that you put on an envelope and a lot of times you would have your artwork or you would have

0:36:51.440,0:36:57.680
your queen or your ruler or well a lot of times in America, we have our artwork on our stamps

0:36:58.320,0:37:03.840
and we ship those throughout the world to show them off so it’s a great fifth house.

0:37:06.160,0:37:12.640
– Yeah, that really took me by surprise. It was like “oh” and you know… and then when you said about

0:37:12.640,0:37:18.720
the artwork it’s like… oh of course. You know, I mean, and like you said it goes worldwide, it’s brilliant.

0:37:19.280,0:37:28.000
– Yeah yeah it’s… if you can stop and look at the symbolism you can see all of these things

0:37:28.000,0:37:36.480
happening and it’s… and Saturn is the, is the is this, is the same thing that’s going through…

0:37:36.480,0:37:39.520
going – all right now how are we going to structure this? And how are we going to structure this? And

0:37:39.520,0:37:43.360
how are we going to structure that? And how are we going to structure this? Yeah that’s kind of

0:37:43.360,0:37:48.240
what we’re all, you know, that’s what this is trying to… this… that’s hopefully what this is showing us.

0:37:49.520,0:37:54.160
– And that is not only helping structure but it’s giving that stability and longevity

0:37:54.160,0:37:59.440
for these things like the Bill of Rights. I mean, you know, it’s written what, 250 years

0:37:59.440,0:38:04.480
ago or something? Or maybe not quite, you know 240 something years ago and it’s still

0:38:05.040,0:38:11.840
referred to and you know, even us in other countries know about – you know right…

0:38:11.840,0:38:17.840
what is it? Something about the fifth. I’m gonna invoke the fifth.

0:38:30.880,0:38:36.400
People use that (here) and it’s like, it doesn’t count in this country.
– Yeah you don’t have to make me incriminate

0:38:36.400,0:38:45.840
myself if I don’t want to. Yeah, that was… it’s a fair thing. It’s a good offer sometimes.

0:38:47.280,0:38:54.080
So, in the sixth house, it’s what we do daily. So it’s, you know, it could be

0:38:54.080,0:38:58.960
exercise, it could be eating, it could be taking care of your health. It could be

0:38:59.600,0:39:04.800
you know making sure your dog is fed or you know your pets are fed. So it’s the house of

0:39:05.600,0:39:11.840
minor quadrupeds, as far as Valens says, Is that how he terms the animals? That you can pick up?

0:39:12.960,0:39:20.480
– Yeah, I think up to a horse or a goat. I think up to a goat maybe. Yeah, horses are 12 I believe.

0:39:20.480,0:39:25.680
– Yes, if you can ride it, it’s a it’s in the 12th house but in the sixth

0:39:25.680,0:39:30.640
house you have the smaller animals and stuff like that. It also has to do with illness

0:39:32.320,0:39:39.360
and you have August 17th ninth or seventeen ninety eight

0:39:40.720,0:39:52.640
– Yeah, but it was 1793. I’ve got 1793,
– 1793, I was reading it wrong. That was the time that we had

0:39:52.640,0:40:02.800
an epidemic. Lost 5 000 people along the docks of Philadelphia due to a mosquito-borne illness

0:40:05.040,0:40:08.960
on the docks.
– Yellow fever I believe.
– Yeah well 5 000

0:40:08.960,0:40:17.360
people back in 1793.
– That’s a lot of people.
– Yeah, it is a lot of people definitely.

0:40:20.320,0:40:27.200
The six houses is…. illnesses tend to crop up in the sixth house and if you don’t take

0:40:27.200,0:40:37.520
care of them they end up messing with you in the 12th house is what I was told.
– Yeah, I could see

0:40:37.520,0:40:41.920
how that be. I was thinking you know if you don’t pay attention, you’ll end up on the 8th (death).

0:40:46.880,0:40:58.960
– Yeah yeah. So moving on to August 3rd 1795. General Wayne signs a treaty

0:40:59.600,0:41:05.840
at Fort Greenfield or Greenville in Ohio with Indians

0:41:07.280,0:41:19.040
in an attempt to try to make peace with “the other”. If it’s Americans here on

0:41:19.040,0:41:27.600
in the first house – it’s the people who are living right with us would be the indigenous people

0:41:27.600,0:41:33.840
and they’re represented in the seventh house and that’s when we did a treaty with them.

0:41:34.640,0:41:37.040
– Very close to that descendant too at the time.

0:41:38.320,0:41:47.840
– Yeah the natal descendant of the United States.
– Just about coming up on it yeah very close

0:41:49.440,0:41:54.880
Yeah also we did sign a treaty in Madrid

0:41:59.040,0:42:06.320
establishing colonies. Spanish colonies in our area. – And you’ve got your eight houses

0:42:07.200,0:42:12.880
Then we have the eighth house so with Saturn sitting right there we have

0:42:14.000,0:42:26.560
congress had ordered the U.S. Navy to capture 84 armed French ships because they were raiding

0:42:26.560,0:42:32.960
the United States ships. The eighth house has to do with death, other people’s money,

0:42:34.880,0:42:43.040
maybe even pirating, I don’t know. 
– Yeah, I’m gonna look up …I’m gonna find out what pirating comes under (Pluto, Mars & Neptune).

0:42:43.040,0:42:50.080
Yeah, I have a book here that has a lot of things. I’m going to look that up. It has to do with some

0:42:50.080,0:42:52.400
with other people’s money i would suspect

0:42:54.480,0:42:59.120
because banks aren’t….
– Actually Saturn, that works perfectly because Saturn is related

0:42:59.120,0:43:06.080
to ships and that. So yeah, I like that yeah. Yeah well, Saturn has a lot of structure to it

0:43:08.320,0:43:12.240
yeah, which is… it’s kind of cool. I’ve had to

0:43:12.240,0:43:18.000
I’ve had to become comfortable with Saturn, it resides in my tenth house

0:43:20.560,0:43:29.040
Yeah, yeah. It’s not the most fun planet is it?
– Yes it’s, it definitely is eye-opening.

0:43:32.240,0:43:39.360
So the next house is my favorite house of all. You have…

0:43:39.360,0:43:48.080
this is the house of higher education it is the house of courts and law, your values

0:43:50.480,0:44:00.800
and so in we have April 24th, 1800 the Library of Congress – so that’s higher learning The Library

0:44:00.800,0:44:09.680
of Congress was formed. I like how the North Node is there, which is… just it gives you a lot.

0:44:10.560,0:44:16.720
The ninth house also has a lot to do with the higher courts and

0:44:16.720,0:44:24.560
January 20th, 1801, John Marshall was appointed the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

0:44:26.880,0:44:36.320
So Saturn in that house had a lot to do with that higher education, where our values are, you know,

0:44:36.320,0:44:49.840
the court system, that type of thing.
– Yeah, yeah the rule of law, yeah.
– So, moving on to the 10th house

0:44:52.240,0:44:54.720
which has to do with what you’re known for.

0:44:57.040,0:45:03.200
Could be work-related but in the 10th house when Saturn got into the Sibley Chart for the

0:45:03.200,0:45:13.920
10th house for the United States, New York, the New York Post was published in 1801. July 4th, 1802

0:45:14.960,0:45:22.720
West Point opens. So, the property that Benedict Arnold tried selling off to our enemies

0:45:22.720,0:45:29.920
was renamed, to get the Arnold name off of that area of land and

0:45:29.920,0:45:36.480
it was named to West Point and that is where our military seems to come from.

0:45:37.840,0:45:44.880
– Yeah, very famous military school there. Even overseas countries are aware of, you know, West

0:45:44.880,0:45:55.920
Point. It’s, you know, where your elite kind of military train. So, academy.
– Yeah yeah and then

0:45:57.920,0:46:05.520
-Yeah… 
-Was there another one for the 10th? Oh yes, the Louisiana Purchase.
– Oh, the Louisiana Purchase

0:46:06.160,0:46:08.720
Thomas Jefferson doubled the size of the United States

0:46:10.000,0:46:14.800
for the Louisiana Purchase in April 30th, 1803

0:46:17.920,0:46:20.000
and then I believe

0:46:22.160,0:46:30.720
on the 11th house when Saturn goes to there we’re back with Lewis and Clark… goes exploring

0:46:30.720,0:46:35.520
the western part of the United States. Those are the hopes and dreams coming back again.

0:46:37.680,0:46:44.400
Yeah, Lewis and Clark was not a fan of Michigan. They wrote in their journals that they were…

0:46:44.400,0:46:51.840
that Michigan was full of bugs and uninhabitable due to the mosquitoes. So

0:46:52.960,0:46:56.800
we’ve come to live with them. It’s the state that I’m from – it says “hi” to

0:46:56.800,0:47:07.280
the world. I like Michigan. I’m a fan of Michigan.Lewis and Clark aren’t but, you know…
– I imagine

0:47:07.280,0:47:12.800
anywhere that an explorer went that had a lot of water would have that issue, I would have thought.

0:47:14.000,0:47:21.680
– Well, Michigan is known i think… within every four or seven miles you’re you’re you’re within…

0:47:22.560,0:47:27.280
you’re next to a creek, either a creek or some kind of body of water with Michigan. So

0:47:27.280,0:47:33.840
we have a lot.
– Oh okay.
– So yeah that, I think that’s why the mosquitoes were so bad. I don’t…

0:47:36.320,0:47:43.440
I think…
– Maybe they were having a bad week.
– Maybe they were, but yeah that is

0:47:43.440,0:47:54.000
… and then we’re back to, you know, the 12th when… oh yeah, I forgot in 1801 Thomas Jefferson

0:47:54.800,0:48:01.360
proposed all slavery… slavery to be prohibited and was defeated by just one vote and that would

0:48:01.360,0:48:11.440
have been put in the ninth house in 1801.That was when Thomas Jefferson

0:48:12.240,0:48:19.840
wanted to get rid of slavery and was defeated. We ended up

0:48:22.240,0:48:22.740
if you can… (move the chart back to then)

0:48:24.880,0:48:29.120
Yeah just at the tail end. Yeah if it was earlier in the year it would have been the

0:48:29.120,0:48:42.080
ninth house. Yeah, yeah in 1808…so where is Saturn in 1808? Can you possibly

0:48:43.680,0:48:49.680
move? That’s 1808. Right, it’s the house of finishing and endings and

0:48:49.680,0:48:56.080
Congress makes it illegal to import slaves to take effect January 1st, 1808.

0:48:57.520,0:49:04.880
Yeah, the philosophical change originally started in 1801 and finally ended up… it took us

0:49:06.560,0:49:15.840
two, four, six, eight… eight years to have it actually illegal to import slaves into this country. Yeah

0:49:16.720,0:49:23.600
so from 1808 when it became illegal for 60 some odd years I’m thinking it was not

0:49:23.600,0:49:31.520
very legal to be importing slaves but yeah, yeah. So that, that’s all, that’s how the country started.

0:49:32.160,0:49:42.400
How our… how we evolved and developed and hopefully you have learned something about the houses…

0:49:43.360,0:49:49.520
a little bit about the americans….
– Really interesting. I was… just wanted to have a

0:49:49.520,0:49:56.320
look here when the Constitution was drawn up too. I think we forgot to mention it but

0:49:56.880,0:50:03.760
Saturn was here in the third but Neptune, which is very idealistic was sitting right on the natal

0:50:03.760,0:50:10.320
Saturn. I like that in the 11th house of hopes and dreams and ideals and that

0:50:11.280,0:50:19.520
when at the… what we would call the natal chart of the USA that Saturn is in the 11th house of

0:50:19.520,0:50:29.200
hopes and dreams and yeah and that Saturn is very strong in that natal chart as it’s

0:50:29.200,0:50:40.240
in Libra. So, it’s exalted.
– Yes, it wants to be fair that’s… that’s the scales of Libra kind of…

0:50:40.240,0:50:46.400
– Well, that was very interesting Miss Donna.
– I thought it was interesting. I absolutely love doing it, I’m not

0:50:46.400,0:50:54.160
a… I’m not a big fan of history but i do like a little bit of history. I think it shows

0:50:54.160,0:51:02.960
everybody the houses which is… leads to easier conversations when you go…. oh you’ve got something

0:51:02.960,0:51:08.160
going on in your, you know, in your house and they’ll be like “well what house are you looking at?”

0:51:08.160,0:51:13.120
I’m looking at the fourth house, you know, you know so I think if you… it opens up the conversation

0:51:13.120,0:51:21.840
for people to at least know what the houses are. Yeah i look forward to doing other little

0:51:23.280,0:51:30.720
views into how the other techniques work…of like zodiacal releasing, solar returns,

0:51:32.080,0:51:38.560
progress charts. I hope to be able to do those as soon as whenever we can.

0:51:40.400,0:51:46.240
– Yeah, it’s always just finding time isn’t it? But we’re going to put a link to Donna’s article

0:51:46.240,0:51:51.840
on the… in the description because it’s a great article and it goes into more detail and you can

0:51:51.840,0:51:58.480
look at the charts there, and also I might put in the description as well just a rough

0:51:58.480,0:52:05.600
guide of what all the houses mean just for a normal natal chart so yeah… and where can

0:52:05.600,0:52:15.680
people find you, Donna? You can you can email me at donnabarconsulting@gmail.com or you can get to

0:52:15.680,0:52:22.160
my website which is www.donnabastrology.com and there’s contact information there.

0:52:23.440,0:52:30.560
And you’re available for readings and crystal layouts …
– I am available. I am available for readings, I do do layouts

0:52:30.560,0:52:36.080
crystal layouts as well. We could… did you want to talk about Saturn stone?
– Oh, yes that’s a

0:52:36.080,0:52:46.720
good idea.
– Yes all right, you can wear stones. This is an Onyx, looks like this

0:52:46.720,0:52:55.600
it’s a black stone. Saturn is always… tends to be black. Yeah it is the darker of the stones

0:52:58.480,0:53:03.440
and I would tell… I would say that they’re okay stones, they’re good to have around every once

0:53:03.440,0:53:08.720
in a while. You don’t want to have… you don’t want to have six of these in your pockets, you know.

0:53:08.720,0:53:14.880
A lot of people ask me about stones… you don’t want to have six of these in your pockets and walk

0:53:14.880,0:53:22.560
around with them all day. If you do you’re not gonna feel, yeah, light and springy

0:53:22.560,0:53:31.040
and you’re gonna feel down and dark.
– Yeah
– That’s what these do but having these in… if you

0:53:31.040,0:53:38.560
have these in your possession they… and you’re working with them… they help you to stick with

0:53:41.040,0:53:46.240
whatever you say you’re going to do.
– It does sound very Saturn-like doesn’t it? It’s that

0:53:46.240,0:53:50.960
stability and that reliability. I’m just thinking if you’re feeling really flighty

0:53:50.960,0:53:54.960
it would be really good to have that on you… but like you said too

0:53:54.960,0:53:58.720
much… because Saturn is kind of a little bit depressing…
– Yes …
– it’s kind of a downer

0:54:01.120,0:54:08.560
– Yeah, a little bit goes a long way. Yes it can pull you down. I’ve known people who have

0:54:08.560,0:54:14.960
said – “oh if one is working good I’ll have five” and then they walk around with them

0:54:15.920,0:54:22.000
and then three weeks later they’re going – “you know, I feel so bad, you know” – and it’s like well

0:54:22.000,0:54:26.240
what are you doing? It’s like what kind of stones do you have? And they were like “well…. you know

0:54:26.240,0:54:31.200
that onyx maybe or you know a black stone made me feel real good… I wanted to do more of them

0:54:31.200,0:54:37.840
and so I stuck them in my pockets” and I’m like “no – you don’t want to do that! One is okay.

0:54:38.640,0:54:46.240
Overdosing on stones isn’t going to make you feel good.”
– (they need to come with a warning label)

0:54:46.240,0:54:52.800
I’m sorry, what? 
– They need to come with a warning label.
– They do. Ten is not better than one.

0:54:53.760,0:54:59.840
– Yeah so, just moderation in all things.
– Yeah, as my grandmother said “moderation in everything”.

0:55:01.760,0:55:07.600
– Where can people get a hold of you now that I’m done with Saturn’s stuff?
– I am at Scullywag

0:55:07.600,0:55:16.080
Astrology. I’m on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram. My website is www.astrology.scullywag.com

0:55:16.880,0:55:19.840
and yeah, I’m available for readings, so yeah

0:55:20.960,0:55:28.000
– Great that sounds, that sounds great and I can hardly wait to…. yeah well tomorrow

0:55:28.000,0:55:37.840
night to do the New Moon for Pisces. That would be good and then we’re going to have to do the

0:55:39.920,0:55:46.080
the Aries Ingress chart soon too, which will be very interesting because we’ll be looking at

0:55:46.080,0:55:56.080
the charts for the U.S., Australia, Canada and maybe the UK. Yeah and that’ll be here before we know

0:55:56.080,0:56:03.600
it. That should be great I look forward to it. Okay bye, everyone. Thank you very much, bye, bye.